Do you make art? What does it smell like? Does it fit in a paddling pool? Our first pod of 2017 sees Mark Amery in conversation with RIFF RAFF aka Li-Ming Hu and Daphne Simons, who discuss their Enjoy Gallery summer residency and forthcoming Telethon, which seeks to amass a 'stupendously large' collection of contemporary art which will be offered as a gift to the Chartwell Trust. Mark Amery attempts to unpick the layers behind the project which gleefully suggests no parameters for donations, except that the giver deems the work to be 'art'.