Our thanks and gratitude to Billy Apple for an uncompromising and generous artistic life. In this repost of our 2015 podcast, Mark Amery speaks to the pioneer pop artist and conceptualist about his survey at Auckland Art Gallery The Artist Has to Live Like Everybody Else. Billy also took time to reflect on his collaboration with Nam Jun Paik, his willingness to be cloned, and his work with agencies as diverse as Saatchi and Saatchi and Womens Refuge.